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Whatever Happened To Delmart Vreeland....................Two Spirit

  Author:  47296  Category:(Discussion) Created:(5/3/2006 6:00:00 PM)
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As some may remember, several years back we had a person come on USM claiming to be Lt. Delmart Vreeland, who at that was seeking asylumn in Canada. He came on with wild tales of giving warnings of the 9-11 attacks, of having been Navy ONI, and in general of trying to convince people he was real.

Looking back at some old posts, I came across his posts. I also remember a chat session he held, where people could question him to try and verify who he was. Needless to say, when confronted directly with questions concerning the Navy and specifics that he should have known, he was unable to answer any of the questions. After the chat session, he suddenly disappeared from USM.

Being the curious sort that I am, I did a little research, and came up with the following as to what happened to "Delmart Vreeland" after his exit from USM.

"We discovered that the note that Vreeland wrote in jail could not have possibly been interpreted as a warning of anything. We discovered that during the time he was supposed to have been in Moscow uncovering the 9/11 plot he was actually in the custody of police in St. Thomas, Ontario. We discovered that his navy records indicate that he didn't make it through basic training and that he presented false identification when he signed up. We found evidence that he didn't graduate high school. We discovered that the alleged relentless drug dealer was actually Vreeland's brother-in-law. We found that Vreeland had an extensive criminal record, having spent the majority of his adult life in jail and that he was wanted in at least six states. We found the victims of the alleged frauds which Vreeland is accused of committing in Michigan and many people in law enforcement who related details of Vreeland's alleged crimes.

We also quickly discovered that almost nothing Vreeland ever said on the record could possibly be true. Several judges in Canada and the US have called Vreeland a man of little credibility. Other journalists noticed gaping holes in the story and reported both the descrepencies and the opinions of various judges.

On September 9 and 10, 2002, Vreeland failed to appear at a hearing relating to his extradition. A judge issued a warrant which effectively made him a wanted felon in two countries.

On October 20, 2004 Delmart Vreeland was arrested in Iowa, ending speculation from his former lawyers about his supposed death."

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/vreeland.html

As can be seen, the man was never anything more than a con artist.

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Date: 5/3/2006 6:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 63449    Very interesting indeed. Why do people have to pretend to be something they are not. Good grief. ~CarolinaBlueGirl~  
Date: 5/3/2006 6:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 63197    Wow! Great detective work! You certainly have your facts. Thank you for sharing this information, very interesting. Medusahead  
Date: 5/3/2006 6:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 63026    I remember hearing about this guy.  
Date: 5/3/2006 6:43:00 PM  ( Admin )   Wow.. TS.. you are comming up with some very interesting material.. Keep up the good work.
Date: 5/3/2006 6:51:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    I remember before the chat session, I had asked "Vreeland" several questions to which he never responded. Any of thoes questions would have made it easy to identify whether he was real. The night of the chat, havinf read where he said he was stationed, I asked him pointed questions concerning two of those duty stations. He could never answer any of the questions. One of the questions, concerning the training vessel at the north end of the PT grinder, would have been answerable by anyone that ever did basic at Orlando, FL. I guess he never figured some "hillbilly" from Alabama would be able to trip hom up.  
Date: 5/3/2006 7:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 28193    I don't remember him. This was interesting.  
Date: 5/3/2006 7:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    I remember him now...a voice chat was set up with him and some of us to question him...all I remember about that session is that he cussed like a sailor and was very defensive, not at all convincing.  
Date: 5/3/2006 9:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    He sure had enki believing him. Wow that is alot of info to find out how did you do it?  
Date: 5/3/2006 10:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 52155    What is the purpose of this? Breeding hate is never good for anyone, and that is all that is being done here.  
Date: 5/3/2006 10:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 52155    lets hope he doesn't come back here and sue due to defamation of character...  
Date: 5/3/2006 11:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 40145    why does it matter to you? it is in the past!  
Date: 5/4/2006 4:11:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    Eddo, the purpose is that he was a con artist, came on here telling a made up story, and had several people convinced that he was for real. At that time, he was in Canada, and seeking asylum on his trumped up story, and there were people here wanting to help him. When he was found out though, he left the site. I became curious when I came across an old post from the time he was here.  
Date: 5/4/2006 7:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 4548    here, here eddo! and good detective work, ts.  
Date: 5/4/2006 8:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    Well, the TRUTH is a definitive defense against a defamation charge. God Bless.  
Date: 5/4/2006 8:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 4548    lol you'd think that, wouldn't you? it doesn't apply around here.  
Date: 5/4/2006 10:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 52155    So what have you gained by posting this TS? So he's a liar. those that would know him would figure that out eventually, and if they really cared about him, it wouldn't matter to them at all. What good does humiliating him publically do?  
Date: 5/4/2006 2:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    what are you trying to say?  
Date: 5/4/2006 2:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    Eddo, You asked "So what have you gained by posting this TS? So he's a liar.".. I think it shows that there can be (and has been in the past) con artists among us here on USM.  
Date: 5/4/2006 2:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Oh yeasssh, sure do remember this character. Take a look at this post by him wherein he was getting grilled by many, included me, and he didn't like being ask questions; didn't answer, and got very nasty in PM's to you and I. I know Enki believed him, but not sure if he changed his mind later or not?  
Date: 5/4/2006 2:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Forgot to post the link.
http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm235972.html
  
Date: 5/4/2006 3:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47296    Eddo, at the time he was on USM, there was a case involving him in the courts in Canada, a high profile case, that had his story been true, would have serious ramifications concerning the events of 9-11. For whatever reason he came here trying to gain allies to his case. After he left USM, he suddenly dropped out of site in Canada, and some thought at first he may be dead. As his arrest shows, he was anything but dead.  
Date: 5/5/2006 8:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 31765    I remember this. The man was obviously full of the smelly stuff.  

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