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What is he talking about? ....:)(:SpaceCase

  Author:  53836  Category:(Discussion) Created:(10/16/2004 1:31:00 PM)
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After sending a long-time friend of mine a Kerry campaign email, he emailed me back saying, "I can't believe that as Christian like yourself would vote for that man."

My jaw dropped. I always have felt that Bush manipulates his comments by using his faith. In fact I usually cringe when he mentions God, because I feel he's just adding it as a soundbyte to keep the Christians who support him underfoot.

Kerry is a Catholic, as he's stated being very involved with the church and that his faith leads him through his life and his work. From what I've learned about Kerry, he stands up for things he believes in, even if it means being in the minority. He also doesn't use God to get his point across.

He quoted JFK with, "I will not be a Catholic President, but a president who happens to be Catholic." In another words, he would not try to impose Catholic beliefs on the country while in charge of running it.

However he said that his faith effects everything he does.

Catholics are Christians too, right?

So what did Kevin mean exactly?

I mean there are good and bad Christians out there...Christians who represent their faith and Christians who use their faith...

I feel that Bush falls under the second catagory for his lies and manipulations.

Of course, if you are pro-Bush, you either don't know how and when he lies or manipulates, or it's a characteristic you chose to over-look.

No matter, I was insulted that Kevin would say such about me. What exactly could he mean.

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Date: 10/16/2004 1:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 49742    You should ask him what he meant!  
Date: 10/16/2004 2:06:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53836    we're from Texas...I kinda know, it's just a shame that he sees voting that way.  
Date: 10/16/2004 2:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    "Of course, if you are pro-Bush, you either don't know how and when he lies or manipulates, or it's a characteristic you chose to over-look." Couldn't just write the post without getting a slam in there huh? As for "I feel that Bush falls under the second catagory for his lies and manipulations." I thought there was a saying thou shall not judge. Religious affliations of political candidates don't bother me. I can't see into thier hearts to see if the faith they profess it true or not or if they're using it as a political platform. Both scenarios are possible, I wouldn't say Bush is a true Christian and Kerry isn't or vice versa because no one except the two of them know their relationship with their God.  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 62753    ask your friend what religion has to do with politics !!! I mean come on the law is stated plan in quill pen and old paper.....  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:20:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53836    oh come on Base...It's not a slam, it's my opinion...and I have a right to it. Of course I do think of you when I think of my highly intellegent friends and why I can't see things the same as them...Base, I respect your choice, but I don't pretend to understand it. And I agree that I don't vote based on religious affiliation, that's why I was so taken aback by Kevin's comment. You're right Lizard :)  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:22:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53836    oh and as for judging. I'm going to judge both man in every light I have access to, therefore feeling comfortable with casting a well-informed vote. Without using judgement, voting is impossible.  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:25:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53836    and one more thing...I didn't say one was a Christian and the other was not, I said they are setting either good or bad examples as Christians...again, thank you for the space.  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 62753    Hmmmm .......  
Date: 10/16/2004 3:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 55386    Catholic is Christianity....Or has been classified that anyway.  
Date: 10/16/2004 6:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    I liked something I heard John Kerry say. Something to the effect that George Bush repeatedly states that "God is on our side". Which is a statement that only further divides humanity as one side being against the other and lays a claim of ownership on God. While Kerry says, "We are on the side of God" ... With that little change in wording....it changes the whole meaning ... God is the focal point and "we" are on his side ... not he is on our side.  
Date: 10/16/2004 7:20:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 53836    Lady, I totally agree...and when he said we are all children of God, he meant the world, not the US...so much more the peacemaker, than a divider.

I haven't seen you in ages girl! Good to see you about!
  
Date: 10/16/2004 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    Thanks, Space Case....so good to see you too!  
Date: 10/16/2004 8:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 62915    From the little of Bush's speeches I have heard I to feel he uses religion to get his way. One thing I never understood is how one can be question therefore following the commandment of thou shalt not kill but still be in favour of the death penalty? Mnea... I am not a fan of Bush. And as for your friend I found that to be pretty stupid. I find that every chrisitan has a different take on what christianity means to them. Ghost-Chick  
Date: 10/17/2004 8:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 62728    Space, just a thought since I don't know John Kerry personally or your friend, but it could be that he simply doesn't believe John Kerry when he says that he is very active in his church. I mean Kerry has stated many times that he believes one thing when his voting record shows another, so it's possible that he doesn't simply take the man at face value when he says he's active in his church and devout in his beliefs. Other than that, I don't know. -DeltaRebel  
Date: 10/17/2004 2:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    Can I for a moment tell you a story about kerry and religion,

A few years back he was unable to go to the St. Patricks day parade cause he was Jewish, now he's been playing the catholisim card for the JFK refrence
  
Date: 10/17/2004 6:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    LOL...What the heck? First of all, anybody can go to a St. Patricks day parade ... you don't have to be Catholic. Yes...John Kerry's has Jewish roots in his family tree. Uh...so?  
Date: 10/17/2004 8:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Well, sorry to say but I couldn't disagree with you more. First of all...Kerry says he'd be president first and then a Catholic? So he's saying he's put God after the people. Wow, I'm sure that's gonna fly with the public and non-believers but with God, I think not. As a CHRISTIAN...he's not supposed to put anyone or anything above God. So if he can't be faithful to God how can be be faithful and honest with the American public? As for Bush, he's ALWAYS mentioned his belief in God, it's nothing knew and no one should be surprised by it. Kerry JUST STARTED talking about his beliefs and I find it totally hypocritical of him to have added the "God bless America" at the end of his speach during the debates. He's one CHESSEY, political PUPPET if you ask me. He'd never get my vote, not even if he tried to buy it.  
Date: 10/17/2004 8:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I also agree with Base that the line you added about Bush-supporters wasn't needed. Bush supporters could say the same about ANYONE that doesn't see through Kerry's lies, exaggerations and inability to stand firm on any issue, as over-looking the obvious.  

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